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fschmidt
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Dating in a feminist country is a bad idea for the simple reason that feminism ruins women.  There are a number of approaches to dating abroad in a non-feminist country.

International datings sites offer a simple solution to dating.  There are a number of relatively inexpensive services that charge a monthly membership.  The Cupid Media sites are an example.  Use these, not the free sites.  Chat with various women until you find one location that you want to focus on.  Then just focus on talking to women at that location.  Once you have lined up a number of women there, take a trip there and meet them.

Another approach is to work abroad.  Teaching ESL (English as a Second Language) is a common way to do this.  You generally need a college degree to get ESL jobs.  Before taking an ESL job, you should make sure that the location is going to work for you.  You can do this by using international dating sites (see above) to make sure that you like the women at the location before taking an ESL job there.

A third approach is to move to a border of your country with a non-feminist country.  This is what I did because I dated a long time ago when the previous two options didn't exist.  I moved to Laredo, Texas, and met my wife across the border.  Because of the drug wars, most of the Mexican border is no longer appealing.  But Tijuana is still reasonable, so you can move to San Diego and date in Mexico.  Europeans can move to Eastern Europe where things should be better.

If you need sex now, I urge you to use prostitutes and not waste time on sluts.  Sluts will waste your time and take an emotional toll.  But even worse, sluts are evil women who are attracted to evil men, so as you modify your behavior to attract sluts, you will learn to be evil yourself.  In effect, chasing sluts trains men to be evil.  Just say "no" to sluts.
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fschmidt wrote
Dating in a feminist country is a bad idea for the simple reason that feminism ruins women.  There are a number of approaches to dating abroad in a non-feminist country.
For younger people, dating is obsolete in the West for the reasons I give in the HA thread below. Note that I am not exaggerating here. This is actually how it is.

http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15499

Another approach is to work abroad.  Teaching ESL (English as a Second Language) is a common way to do this.  You generally need a college degree to get ESL jobs.  Before taking an ESL job, you should make sure that the location is going to work for you.  You can do this by using international dating sites (see above) to make sure that you like the women at the location before taking an ESL job there.
Not to be pedantic (although as a former English teacher I kind of have the right to be), but teaching English as a second language refers to teaching English to non-native speakers in a predominantly English-speaking country. What you are talking about - teaching English to people in a non-English speaking country - should properly be referred to as teaching English as a foreign language (EFL).

The trouble with teaching EFL now is that it is not a stable career. When I started teaching in Korea in mid-08 there were about 30k E2 visas issued and about 40k applicants. Hence if you were a college graduate, reasonably positive and not a closet case of some sort, it would be reasonably easy to get a job. When I left two years later, only just over 20k E2 visas were issued and the number of applicants had increased ten-fold. Whole areas of the industry are being phased out, and there was always going to be decline in demand due to declining birth rates. For most of us, teaching English is not a good option for raising a family now.

A third approach is to move to a border of your country with a non-feminist country.
About the only place you can do this is the southern border of the US. Usually there are not hard borders between feminist and non-feminist countries. As to Eastern Europe, they are a post-feminist society. Females want a stable marriage since the regimes are no longer propping up their dysfunctional lifestyles to the extent they are in the West. However, they are still worthless sluts in the main.

If you need sex now, I urge you to use prostitutes and not waste time on sluts.  Sluts will waste your time and take an emotional toll.  But even worse, sluts are evil women who are attracted to evil men, so as you modify your behavior to attract sluts, you will learn to be evil yourself.  In effect, chasing sluts trains men to be evil.  Just say "no" to sluts.
Generally this is true, but there are some men in particular positions that have easy access to sex with sluts and have a good chance of coming away reasonably unscathed. If it is possible to put yourself in such a position, sluts might be a better proposition than prostitutes.




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Humanity
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I agree with you Cornfed that TEFL jobs are no longer tenable for stability. I think for any disillusioned and displaced young man to have a future worth having, he will have to make two escapes: the first will be having to escape from the West, of course. This can still be done through TEFL jobs and such. But the second escape is having to escape working for someone else.

And as jobs around the world continue to decline in terms of conditions and pay, this will become ever more important. Otherwise, there will always be some asshole holding a dead-end job over your head because he knows the young guys working it "can't quit" and have no other opportunities. And many TEFL jobs anywhere in the world are corporate. They likely are not as bad as corporate jobs in the West, but not much better. My job in China is like this. (There are also problems with having to pick up Chinese teachers' slack because they are largely incompetent and arrogant about it - a particularly nasty part of Chinese culture.)

I've been reading some books lately about just this sort of thing. And I'm gathering ideas. Hope to put more into the resource section soon. Microbusinesses will likely be the future for young men who need to escape.
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I didn't mean to imply that teaching English abroad is a good long term career path.  I only meant that it could be a good short-term solution to dating.

We could have another thread about financial/money solutions, but that is a harder topic.
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Cornfed wrote
As to Eastern Europe, they are a post-feminist society. Females want a stable marriage since the regimes are no longer propping up their dysfunctional lifestyles to the extent they are in the West. However, they are still worthless sluts in the main.
How do you know this, and about which countries?  I am not disagreeing, I just don't know much about Eastern Europe.  And how far east do you think this is the case?  All the way to Russia?

Also, which country would be your first choice for dating if you had the means to date anywhere?
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fschmidt wrote
I didn't mean to imply that teaching English abroad is a good long term career path.  I only meant that it could be a good short-term solution to dating.
The trouble is that you can't really court women with a view to a long term relationship unless you have a stable career since you don't know how long you can stay where you are and can't get a visa to take the female back to your country.

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Humanity
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Cornfed wrote
The trouble is that you can't really court women with a view to a long term relationship unless you have a stable career since you don't know how long you can stay where you are and can't get a visa to take the female back to your country.
Stability can be relative though. A guy freelancing online for $1000 a month is very stable compared to a lot of Asians who likely make around $2000 (more or less) per year. Expensive plane tickets and staying with a woman in her country indefinitely are problems, but hardly insurmountable, depending on the country.

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I'd suggest frequent flyer miles, but the caveat is that credit is tricky. If you don't know how to handle those plastic, rectangular shackles, you'll turn your life upside-down.
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A Sleeping Revolutionary wrote
I'd suggest frequent flyer miles, but the caveat is that credit is tricky. If you don't know how to handle those plastic, rectangular shackles, you'll turn your life upside-down.
Flying out to places frequently is a horrible idea. Lack of frequent flyer miles isn't the problem - the problem is going somewhere and staying there for a while. And it will be a slow process unless you're rich. It is far better to stay in one place for a longer time. There are many countries where the cost of living is far less than "first world" countries. (If you live like a local - leave the idea of comfort and luxury behind, unless that is more important than living a life worth living and finding a good woman and having a family.) If you're rich, you'll be successful anywhere in the world, but even normal guys can do well. Just have to adapt. Which is why most guys never take action.
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Relevant to this might be this thread about putting yourself in a position to be found attractive by females, which would also lessen the risk of slut-remorse rape complaints. Obviously the only interest one would have in females in feminist countries is casual sex. Trying to “date” them is stupid.

http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19820
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Cornfed wrote
As to Eastern Europe, they are a post-feminist society. Females want a stable marriage since the regimes are no longer propping up their dysfunctional lifestyles to the extent they are in the West.
All of this is false, you have no knowledge about the region.
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Great, then start a thread and educate us.
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Humanity
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Ah, then presumably you do. I second Cornfed's suggestion. Please enlighten us.
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The societies in Eastern Europe aren't post-feminist, they were never feminist to begin with. The Communist/Stalinist regimes never "propped up dysfunctional female lifestyles to the extent they did in the West", this is an absurd claim.

Currently in some of these societies feminism is in early growing stages. These influences came from the West in recent years. It will probably get worse in the next generations. I think it will follow the West/North European model, not the American/Anglosphere one.
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bl0 wrote
The societies in Eastern Europe aren't post-feminist, they were never feminist to begin with. The Communist/Stalinist regimes never "propped up dysfunctional female lifestyles to the extent they did in the West", this is an absurd claim.
So you don’t know anything about the history of those countries then. In fact such modern anti-family law originated in the first 20 years of the Bolshevik regime.

The early Soviet state sought to remake the family, believing that although the economic emancipation of workers would deprive families of their economic function, it would not destroy them but rather base them exclusively on mutual affection. Religious marriage was replaced by civil marriage, divorce became easy to obtain, and unwed mothers received special protection. All children, whether legitimate or illegitimate, were given equal rights before the law, women were granted sexual equality under matrimonial law, inheritance of property was abolished, and abortion was legalized.[1]
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Do you really think there were favorable conditions for leading a carefree sexually liberated lifestyle like in modern West?

I'm from one of the countries which became Communist during Stalin's era. Most women were married and did not lead a dysfunctional lifestyle. These behaviors such as divorce, abortion were not socially acceptable. The communist theories about destroying family unit were unpopular. At least in my country the Communist rule only reinforced some traditional values among the general population.
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Humanity
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bl0 wrote
Do you really think there were favorable conditions for leading a carefree sexually liberated lifestyle like in modern West?

I'm from one of the countries which became Communist during Stalin's era. Most women were married and did not lead a dysfunctional lifestyle. These behaviors such as divorce, abortion were not socially acceptable. The communist theories about destroying family unit were unpopular. At least in my country the Communist rule only reinforced some traditional values among the general population.
So it really depends on which country you mean. But the old Soviet Union was definitely feminist. If a country was small or weak enough, I could understand it not becoming full-blown feminist or powerful enough to enforce feminist policies.

Is there any need for the mystery? Which country are you from?
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Humanity wrote
So it really depends on which country you mean. But the old Soviet Union was definitely feminist.
        Let's say there is a word, feminism, with two different meanings. feminism(1) is the dominant meaning today and feminism(2) is an alternative meaning.
        The context of discussion is about feminism(1).
        One person comes and says, the society in Eastern Europe is post-feminist. What does it mean? Of course in this context it's understood as post-feminist(1). Further, he applies feminist(1) characteristics to these societies in the past (women did not want marriage, were sluts).
        So another person comes and says, this is false, these societies aren't post-feminist(1), they were never feminist(1). It's the opposite, feminism(1) is in early stages and growing.
        So the first person comes back with an article which has some references to feminism(2), while he still insists on feminist(1) characteristics of women in these societies.
        Now one more person claims that the Soviet Union was definitely feminist, probably based on information about feminism(2).
        How do I respond when there is so much misunderstanding? I agree that feminism(2) had influence on the societies in Eastern Europe. I don't agree that feminism(1) had influence on any of these societies until recent years. It's a fallacy to apply feminist(1) characteristics to societies with only feminist(2) influence.
        If we continue on the subject of feminism(2), we might as well say that China is a feminist society, or that North Korea is a feminist society.
Humanity wrote
Is there any need for the mystery? Which country are you from?
It depends on how much information about myself I'm willing to give (publicly).

[ edit: country, paragraphs ]
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Humanity
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I think you're over-complicating it. So, for example, the information in this link: http://www.realussr.com/ussr/ussr-the-birthplace-of-feminism/ It doesn't sound as horrific as feminism in anglo countries, but it still sounds like feminism. So since the old Soviet Union was like this, I don't see how feminism is a new idea in Eastern Europe. I saw what country you are from before you edited your post. I won't mention it since you don't want to say it publicly, but I don't know about that country.
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Humanity wrote
I don't see how feminism is a new idea in Eastern Europe.
As an example, from official data in my country on "illegitimate" births (out of wedlock):
1970     5.0%
1980     4.8%
1990     6.2%
2000    12.1%
2010    20.6%
Humanity wrote
I think you're over-complicating it. So, for example, the information in this link: http://www.realussr.com/ussr/ussr-the-birthplace-of-feminism/ It doesn't sound as horrific as feminism in anglo countries, but it still sounds like feminism.
Ideally two different things would have two different names. Modern feminism is an ideology, it has some central ideas. Eastern Europe societies did not share the central ideas of modern feminism, so they weren't feminist (in modern sense).

As for women in the workforce. Communism was basically a slavery system. Slave masters, slave men and slave women.
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