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I expected this story to get a ton of attention in the manosphere, but to my initial surprise, it didn't. I read some MGTOW forums sometimes, which often link to popular stories which the forums look at from a non-mainstream perspective. With the standoff in Nevada, I expected a lot of manosphere coverage. I haven't seen it yet.

But why not? This is an example of limiting government by necessary force and is exactly what the Second Amendment was intended for. Much of the manosphere claims it seeks limited government. But if that was true, I would expect such an incredible story as this to receive ample manosphere attention. Perhaps it will eventually, but I'm not holding my breath.

MGTOW would rather just sit back and do nothing, including thinking. They are of course the guys that want to watch the world burn and even the great efforts of freedom fighters successfully resisting a tyrannical federal government are not enough for them to care at all. The daddygov will eventually come for them (legislation first, most likely) and they'll just bend and break because they have no trust, principles, or morality, save for the transient kind that blows in the wind.
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Do you have any links for this story?  I don't know anything about it.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-12/why-standoff-bundy-ranch-very-big-deal

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-17/guest-post-liberty-movement-rising

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2089-real-americans-are-ready-to-snap

At this point I'm wondering if the feds will wait to attack again once the Freedom Fighters leave, or if they will then try to separate and persecute the Militia individually. Government is pure ego and these scum are out for blood no doubt. The government committing another massacre like Rudy Ridge or Waco would result in a massive outrage both at home and abroad. And with the U.S. government already showing weakness to Russia/Putin, I doubt it will let this go without seeking revenge.
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This is quite an interesting story.  Here is one other video worth watching:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtEVg8KNgBA

My criticism of the articles by Brandon Smith is that he is representing this as a conflict between the elite and the American people.  This is wrong.  The American people are divided.  The majority of the American people are liberals.  But there are some true conservatives in conservative states, and these people are in the liberty movement.  They will always be a minority and they will eventually figure out that democracy is not on their side.  All they have is their guns.  In the end, I think America will have another civil war about secession when conservative states realize that the only way to preserve any degree of freedom is to secede from America.
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Are there many genuine conservatives left in America? My impression is that most so-called conservative Americans are as pro-big-government and socialist as all get out. It is just that they are mean spirited asshole socialists who think that only certain privileged parasites should be able to live off government handouts (e.g. military retirees) while everyone else should be cut off at the knees. (Being socialists is fair enough under the current circumstances, since it merely acknowledges the reality that currently we are all tapped in to the same centralized GovCorp system.)

Their basic obedience to the system is how these protestors are likely to be targeted as they are individually IDed, are subject to frivolous lawsuits and charges, lose their GovCorp supported jobs, professional licenses, government contracts or pensions on one pretext or other and sink into poverty and obscurity. It will only be when the system breaks down or enough non-scum people become seriously disaffected with it that any rebellion is possible. Good on these people for making a stand on this occasion though.
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It depends on how you define conservative.  Most Americans are stupid and ignorant, so they are easily manipulated.  The Democrats/Liberals vote for politicians who claim to want to expand the federal government to help the poor, but of course these politicians just expand the government to help the elite.  And the Republicans/Conservatives vote for politicians who claim to want to shrink the federal government, but of course these politicians just cut spending on helping the poor and on infrastructure, but keep spending on the elite who finance their campaigns.  Democracy just doesn't work with a stupid and ignorant population.  But to answer your question, I think about 40% of Americans are conservative in the sense that they really do want a smaller federal government, but they are too stupid to vote for politicians who would actually implement this.  But the difference can be seen in the differences between different state governments.  I am comparing California to Texas right now as places to live, and there is a real difference.
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Let's hope so. It might encourage some serious resistance against the scum. Unfortunately, I doubt they will be that stupid.
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I wonder how many in the Liberty Movement recognize feminism as one of the problems keeping government bloated and intrusive? Most so-called conservatives do not view feminism as a bad thing. But so-called conservatives would never participate in such a thing as the Liberty Movement either. Just one or two successes of this Liberty Movement could embolden many thousands more to stand for Liberty. And there have been some petitions for states to secede even fairly recently. And imagine if a group of seceded states came together as a new nation against liberalism. And what if they asked a foreign power for help? Imagine the seceded states asking for Russian help...
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Humanity wrote
I wonder how many in the Liberty Movement recognize feminism as one of the problems keeping government bloated and intrusive?
Not many, I think.  I attended a few John Birch Society meetings, which is closely tied to the Liberty Movement, and based on that I don't think they see a connection.

And imagine if a group of seceded states came together as a new nation against liberalism. And what if they asked a foreign power for help? Imagine the seceded states asking for Russian help...
I posted this idea earlier today:

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2014/04/18/moral-evisceration-renders-west-helpless-before-putin/#comment-214393

I wasn't serious, but in the future, who knows...
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It looks like the tactic used by the lamestream media in this case is to isolate Bundy from his supporters by painting him as a "hateful racist" just because he for some reason made common sense comments about a lot of blacks being better off as slaves then their current condition. If this works then it will show how pathetically lame most Americans are.

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In general here the outcome is that this guy generally won his argument:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/cliven-bundy-standoff-grazing-rights-nevada-ranch

"Bundy said he was no outlaw, that he pays all taxes and state duties – but not federal fees for grazing, which he stopped paying after the BLM imposed restrictions as part of an effort to protect the endangered desert tortoise."

So the tortoise lost? Let's try not to laugh.
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