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Types of separation

Cornfed
The co-alpha concept would imply that it is necessary for groups of decent people to separate themselves from degenerate mainstream society in some way. There are various ways they might go about this. Here are a few I can think of.

1. Moving abroad separation. Go live in a less degenerate foreign country.

2. Social separation. Form a separate social group that supports and protects each other in various ways, such as street gangs or some religious groups.

3. Neighborhood separation. Go and live in a gated community, isolated town or neighborhood with like-minded people.

4. Mobile separation. Travel around with like minded people so you don't put down roots within the degenerate society of any particular place in the manner of Gypsies.

5. Family separation. Live in close proximity as a large extended family that supports each other, as used to be the norm.

6. Environmental separation. Go and live in a society adapted for a particular environment, in the manner of Arctic tribes.

There may be more. I'm not sure which of these is currently the most practical.
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I'll summarize how practical I find each option. I suggest others do the same. We can cross compare notes and see where mutual interests align.

1. I have employment opportunities in China but nowhere else. Local culture will be what separates you from America. Chinese culture is less degenerate but it's by no means a society to emulate. I don't think you can import any culture. I guess English teaching jobs are an option, but the pay is low so it's hard to start a family.

2. Social separation requires close proximity just like family separation. I don't see how these differ.

3. Gated communities are expensive and the architecture is usually garbage. They lack mixed used zoning, which results in single-use unhealthy suburbs. I think it's more important to live close than to live in total isolation. The average joe will still need to leave a gated community for work, grocery shopping etc. I knew a few people who lived in gated communities and they were always depressed.

4. This requires saving up an excess of funds, working online or having a mobile trade. This isn't sustainable for myself.

5. I live in the Bay Area and fschmidt plans to move here to buy a farm. If he goes through with this we will be doing this arrangement soon. I think this is the most practical option. If anyone has interest in joining us we can start another thread on that.

6. This is a low quality of life. I want to separate from modern culture but I don't want to separate from modern conveniences like warm showers. My guess is most people won't sacrifice modern conveniences.


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I thought about this and there is another type of separation that's actually much more powerful. This is language.

I haven't played MMORPG's for many years (there aren't any good ones anymore), but when I last played I was in a role playing group. All of the people whom I played with were English speakers. Our group wasn't very competitive but we had a lot of cohesion because we used a made up language. We basically borrowed a few words from Tolkien and then spoke broken English for the rest. We were able to create our own distinct culture in the game.

This is probably one reason why orthodox Jews do so well, they have Hebrew. No liberal is going to learn Hebrew just to spread their liberal hate speech. If someone only speaks Hebrew they're much safer from modern culture.

I was told that the Esperanto language was an attempt at fostering world peace. I guess that's a pacifist separation movement.
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Social separation and neighborhood separation tend to go together since members of groups that are socially separate tend to live near each other.  I think this combination is the most practical solution.
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1. It works as a short term solution. The people are typically better, but it is extremely difficult to find a place and dig in. It takes money, learning a new language, and having a reason that you can stay there (job, investment, marriage.) As a long term solution, it will only work for few men in the long term. This decade might be the last good decade to get into English teaching overseas, and taking such jobs year-to-year is good for getting abroad and staying abroad. One problem with this is that it may not get you where you want to go. Love China? You're in luck. Love Philippines? Good luck...

2. I think street gangs form because there are lots of young, disillusioned young men who don't identify with the dominant culture and come together for protection and opportunity to move up in the world. It doesn't seem to work with incels, love-shys, CoAlphas, antifeminists/antimodernists, etc. Perhaps because these groups do or have identified with the dominant culture and didn't start out as "rejects."

3. Life in a gated community would be awful. Forming a CoAlpha neighborhood would be great, but it is such a huge thing to organize. We all need to move to the same place and have at least basic ways of sustaining ourselves there. I'm sure there are real life examples of this, though. And of course there are religious communities. I personally think religion is vital, but I don't know if it will really work with a group of people who don't really believe in the religion itself. I lost my religion a long time ago and I don't think I could get it back. I respect religion (not churchianity, of course) and its benevolent purposes but don't think I could follow it sincerely anymore.

4. Good tie-in with the first option. It would be much easier to, say, take English teaching jobs in the same city somewhere around the world instead of moving close together in the U.S.

5. I had something like this back home, very close to my "extended" family. My problem is that I'm still in a horrible culture and staying there with them would all but guarantee the extinction of my genes and values. And I would never bring a foreign wife back home. No exceptions.

6. Perhaps as a last-ditch effort. But I do think liberals would be too lazy to invade a desert community and try to corrupt or destroy it.
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Humanity
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Drealm wrote
I thought about this and there is another type of separation that's actually much more powerful. This is language.

I haven't played MMORPG's for many years (there aren't any good ones anymore), but when I last played I was in a role playing group. All of the people whom I played with were English speakers. Our group wasn't very competitive but we had a lot of cohesion because we used a made up language. We basically borrowed a few words from Tolkien and then spoke broken English for the rest. We were able to create our own distinct culture in the game.

This is probably one reason why orthodox Jews do so well, they have Hebrew. No liberal is going to learn Hebrew just to spread their liberal hate speech. If someone only speaks Hebrew they're much safer from modern culture.

I was told that the Esperanto language was an attempt at fostering world peace. I guess that's a pacifist separation movement.
I really like this idea, and of course it is vital to living abroad long-term. I have not done any research about whether or not the English language in particular is good at spreading feminism somehow. It's too easy to speculate that languages, for example, that use gendered nouns can be easily feminized. Spanish uses gendered nouns and most Spanish speaking countries we would consider non-feminist. If I was going to argue that the English language spreads feminism, I would probably note how English is a highly technical and scientific language that lends itself to over-categorizing things, which could lead to things like the LGBQT stuff going on in Anglo feminist cultures. There are flaws with that line of reasoning. After all, we would probably consider Spain a feminist country even though Spanish is one of the languages of the country. So at the same time I don't think I would ever place too much of the blame on a language itself.

Esperanto is the most famous constructed language and of course it was created to be easy to learn. (But like most constructed languages it is heavily based in European languages.) I read this article before that said that people who study Esperanto then learn natural languages even better than if they had studied only the natural language! That's pretty incredible. Also, Esperanto even has a few thousand native speakers - people who learned the language from their parents growing up.

I think the name of the language is even intentional. "Esperar" in Spanish means "to wish, to hope," so I'm sure that's what the creator of it was intending the name to mean.

Even easier than Esperanto looks to be Interlingua, another artificial language created in the 50s (if I remember correctly.)

Check out the website: http://www.interlingua.com/
You can immediately understand much of the written things because it borrows so heavily from the most common roots in European languages.
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Humanity wrote
2. I think street gangs form because there are lots of young, disillusioned young men who don't identify with the dominant culture and come together for protection and opportunity to move up in the world. It doesn't seem to work with incels, love-shys, CoAlphas, antifeminists/antimodernists, etc. Perhaps because these groups do or have identified with the dominant culture and didn't start out as "rejects."
Most religions used this approach successfully.  The movie A Life Apart: Hasidism in America explains how Hasidic rabbis came to America where Jews were mostly assimilated and reversed this trend.  Jesus and Paul succeeded in defining a separate group in Rome, and Mohammed did the same in Mecca.  There is no question that this method can work.

3. Life in a gated community would be awful. Forming a CoAlpha neighborhood would be great, but it is such a huge thing to organize. We all need to move to the same place and have at least basic ways of sustaining ourselves there. I'm sure there are real life examples of this, though. And of course there are religious communities. I personally think religion is vital, but I don't know if it will really work with a group of people who don't really believe in the religion itself. I lost my religion a long time ago and I don't think I could get it back. I respect religion (not churchianity, of course) and its benevolent purposes but don't think I could follow it sincerely anymore.
The issues of neighborhood and your religion are separate issues.  The neighborhood issue is very easy, actually.  All we have to do is to have several Americans here move into the same neighborhood.  If this interests you at all, now is the time to discuss it since I am considering moving to California to be near Drealm.  I just got back from visiting California and the truth is that I hate California.  I didn't realize how much I would hate it until I visited and looked around.  So I will discuss the question of where to live with Drealm this weekend.  If any other Americans here are interested in the idea of living near likeminded people, please speak up now.

This thread isn't the right place to discuss religious belief.  If you are willing to discuss religion, post a thread in the Religion forum.
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Re: Types of separation

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Drealm's language argument is a good one.

De-Feminized English:
You can't really expect people to learn another language just because of feminism, however a De-Feminized English Dictionary would definitely appeal and you could sell it as a new form of political correctness.

So I'm suggesting that the expansion of the English language may be an indication of deterioration of the culture. Instead you might reduce the words used and label some words as unacceptable, and there is a mechanism for doing so - swear words.

Swear words are remembered on the basis of their form being generally sexual. Slang terms for body parts, words that describe sexual malpractice or the results of infidelity (bastards). As feminism is largely concerned with sexuality many of their terms may be suggested to be swear words.

Transgender - would be a swear word, the politically correct term would be Unisex and is a term that would probably be agreeable to muslims.

Words like Gay, Queer, etc are clearly swear words as they are used to insult people and are to do with sexuality.

Feminism - Strange women who swear a lot, would be an apt definition.

Any word that refers to a concept or practice that is rejected would be excluded from the language. These words would not be kosha (koalpha), and I do not say that lightly. Even the term Koalpha points to the Alphabet. A Koalpha Dictionary could easily make it into a child's collection of school books, and if you sell it you get to make money.

You would basically use all of the feminist literature to identify and remove all of their invented terms from the English language. You would need a special section devoted to non-koalpha words and people would need to be corrected everytime they used a banned word. You might develop that as a non violent campaign strategy. You might turn the tables on the feminists and declare their language to be racist and prejudiced against Normal people.

People who then spoke in these new politically correct ways would be immediately identifiable in much the same way that Freemasons also use carefully squared off words. Given the nature of feminism in general they have provided much ammunition that can be used against them.

So I think that some kind of modified language based on English is required. This is also quite common with other races. The blacks who use the term Axe instead of Ask is a very clear expression of their culture, just as the modern culture use abbrieviations for Text messages. There is a sense that some degree of isolation can be achieved with slight variations of language. For example I have been accused of being female because of the way that I write, then you have accents - the same words are used but it's as though they are spelt differently judging from the pronounciation, and then these pople are viewed as outsiders because they talk funny, but they then recognise each other because of having the same accent.

You might then produce a better Dictionary, but every word excluded would be an objection to that behaviour. It presupposes that no one would object. Would Equality be a swear word or not?  
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