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What does CoAlpha offer?

fschmidt
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We have a mission statement and long term goals, but what can CoAlpha offer now?  If the answer is that we offer nothing now other than a plan for the future, is this really enough to attract enough men to implement this plan?  When you look at successful groups, they offer some immediate benefit to attract members.  Religion offers life after death.  Many online forums offer sympathy and a place to complain (complaining being a very popular activity these days).  So my question is what can we offer right now, and if nothing, do we have any chance of success?
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The Plan

fschmidt
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Sorry but I don't have a detailed plan.  I have had a lot of ideas over the years, and I settled on a virtual brotherhood.  Many others have argued for brotherhoods, and now I see that they are right.  So I will do my best to promote this idea of a virtual brotherhood.  I don't want to save the world.  If I can get one man per year to join this brotherhood, that is enough for me.  I believe the idea is sound, but I am not very charismatic to promote it.  Most men who join will probably be more charismatic than I am, so they can more effectively promote the idea.  If no one is interested in this idea, I will still keep trying because I honestly don't see any alternative.
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Re: The Plan

DukeNukem
I will offer some ideas on what has brought down other MRA boards:

-Trying too hard to go mainstream.  "MRA" will likely remain fringe for sometime, however appealing to the common denominator only dilutes the quality of the posts and discussion.
-Activism.  Most men don't get it and don't want to get it so why even try.  I think brotherhoods should concentrate on increasing the rewards (it will mean more quality FW anyway) and the quality of posts for those who do decide to join instead of chasing after and appealing to PUAs, POF-type boards, quasi-manginas etc.
-PUA: This is contrary to the "CoAlpha" basis of brotherhood.  
-Anti-Jew, racism, conspiracy theories: These chase away valuable and intelligent contributing members.
-Allowing feminists / manginas to post.  Why bother?
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Re: The Plan

fschmidt
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I absolutely agree with what you wrote.

DukeNukem wrote
I will offer some ideas on what has brought down other MRA boards:

-Trying too hard to go mainstream.  "MRA" will likely remain fringe for sometime, however appealing to the common denominator only dilutes the quality of the posts and discussion.
No one ever accused me of being mainstream.  The CoAlpha Brotherhood is meant as a refuge from the mainstream, not to appeal to the mainstream.

-Activism.  Most men don't get it and don't want to get it so why even try.  I think brotherhoods should concentrate on increasing the rewards (it will mean more quality FW anyway) and the quality of posts for those who do decide to join instead of chasing after and appealing to PUAs, POF-type boards, quasi-manginas etc.
Yes, and this ties into the previous point.  Activism requires being palatable to the mainstream, and this isn't something we should worry about.  For those interested in activism, I have a "save the world" link in the "Links" thread.  The CoAlpha Brotherhood is not about activism.

-PUA: This is contrary to the "CoAlpha" basis of brotherhood.  
Yes, I have argued this on NG.  And this is one reason we need rules, to prevent PUA behavior aimed at our women.  I am so tired of having guys hit on my wife whenever I turn my back.

-Anti-Jew, racism, conspiracy theories: These chase away valuable and intelligent contributing members.
Yes.  I support free speech on public forums like NG, but the CoAlpha Brotherhood isn't about being a publc forum.  It is about men cooperating and respecting each other.  If a man can't respect another man because of his race, then he doesn't belong in the CoAlpha Brotherhood.  This is why I raised the issue right from the start in my "On Jews and Freemasons" thread.  As for conspiracy theories, this has been a big debate recently.  I think conspiracy theories are nonsense but I would be reluctant to turn a man away just because I disagree with his beliefs.  I think the rule should simply be that we should stay on-topic.  Staying on-topic should prevent most conspiracy theory talk.

-Allowing feminists / manginas to post.  Why bother?
If we grow, we could have an "opposing views" subforum or something like that.  But for now, the purpose of this forum is to figure out how to organize a CoAlpha Brotherhood, so all feminist/mangina posts would be off-topic and therefore not tolerated.
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First Step?

fschmidt
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What should be our first step?

Chemical Patriot has registered coalpha.com and I have registered coalpha.org .  Chemical Patriot suggested putting together some content for a site, but I am not sure if this is needed right away.  My feeling is that first we should get together a small core group of people and then we can decide how to proceed with the site.

As I said in my "Goals" thread, I would like a clear idea of membership.  I can easily create a private forum here that members could then participate in.  I suggest that we agree on some kind of vow and then we can take the vow and become members.  Once we have a few members, we can decide on some process for accepting new members.  Does this make sense?

Once we have members in a private forum, I suggest each of us post an intro that includes our real names and real contact info.  I also suggest we each tell what we can offer and what we want.  The idea of the CoAlpha Brotherhood is meaningful cooperation, we let's see what we can do for each other.  I'll write mine as an example.

What I can offer is technical help to anyone who needs it since I am a programmer.  I am working on SEO (Search Engine Optimization) and should be able to offer this soon.  I can also offer a place to stay for anyone in my area once I finally settle down (this month, I hope).  I can offer homeschooling advice, since I am doing this.  My wife is Mexican and she may be able to help anyone looking for a latin girlfriend.  What I am looking for:  If anyone has kids the same ages as mine (13 and 10), I would like to get our kids together.  It is important for kids to see other people sharing the same values.  Similarly it would be nice get wives/girlfriends together for much the same reason.  And of course we should get together.

Any other ideas for our first step is welcome.  Let's decide what to do, and then do it.
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Re: First Step?

DukeNukem
I think a private forum is a good idea.  What I can offer is nutrition advice (since I will be a dietitian and then work on my Ph. D. in nutrition), and also I'm into all aspects of investing.  I am interested in home schooling but I don't have any kids on the way so that's not an issue right now.  

I can also help pay for forum software if need be (ie. Invision Power Board or vBulletin) to establish a nice online community.  
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Re: First Step?

fschmidt
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Thanks, I went ahead and created a private forum where you can post.

On the forum software side, I am a little biased because I am involved with Nabble where this is hosted.  In truth, I don't think Nabble is all that great as it is now.  But we are working on making Nabble incredibly flexible, something like Drupal.  So I think it will be a great platform.  If there is anything specific that you want, I can easily add it to Nabble.

Creating this CoAlpha Brotherhood forum is actually what made me see how limited Nabble is and what is really needed.  So now I am quite busy making Nabble into an ideal platform.  Of course I will continue to push this CoAlpha Brotherhood idea and see if anything comes of it.
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Re: First Step?

Femboss
Hi fschmidt

I clicked on the link in the Men's Rights boards.

I'd be very interested in joining your private forum if that was possible.

I can contribute and have lots of ideas that with your permission I'd like to share with your members.

It would be great if I could join and help with the struggle against the feminazis!

Kind regards
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Re: First Step?

fschmidt
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Sure, I can add you if you register with Nabble.  But you should know that I just started this and I just created the Private Forum a few days ago and it is empty.  I added a few people.  It would be great if you could help get this started.
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Re: First Step?

fschmidt
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I went ahead and wrote up a basic code/vow which includes a membership process, here:

http://coalpha.wikispaces.com/

It is basically a blank slate because I don't want to define many rules until we have more members.  I will apply the rules now.
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Re: The Plan

J. Donner
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I'm not sure what the current goal of the CoAlpha Brotherhood is, as I do not yet have access to the private forums, but I thought I'd offer some comments here.

One thing I know from studying insurgencies (I think calling the current situation with feminism an insurgency is apt) is that there is always a certain breakdown of the various elements that matter in an insurgency. I've written about this before, but I'll recap (and state the idea more clearly and vigorously, as I now think it is a more sound idea than I did when I originally conceived of it).

To quote the insurgency Bible, as it were (aka, the United States Army and Marine Corps Counterinsurgency Field Manual):
In almost every case, counterinsurgents face a populace containing an active minority supporting the government and an equally small militant faction opposing it. Success requires the government to be accepted as legitimate by most of that uncommitted middle, which also includes passive supporters of both sides. (See figure 1-2) Because of the ease of sowing disorder, it is usually not enough for counterinsurgents to get 51 percent of popular support; a solid majority is often essential. However, a passive populace may be all that is necessary for a well-supported insurgency to seize political power.
Let's translate some of the military jargon. First of all, replace "government" with "status quo" or perhaps even "patriarchy," if that helps you understand the concept better. "Counterinsurgents" could just as easily be men. If I rewrite the paragraph above to be consistent with my metaphor, we get:
In almost every case, men face a populace containing an active minority (MRAs, MGTOW, CoAlpha Brotherhoods, etc) supporting the status quo/patriarchy and an equally small militant faction (feminism) opposing it. Success requires the status quo/patriarchy to be accepted as legitimate by most of that uncommitted middle, which also includes passive supporters of both sides. Because of the ease of sowing disorder, it is usually not enough for men to get 51 percent of popular support; a solid majority is often essential. However, a passive populace may be all that is necessary for a well-supported insurgency (feminism) to seize political power.
Feminism has been successful because it has negotiated itself into a position where it does not require active support from the vast majority of the uncommitted populace in order to sustain itself. Most men and women do not believe in the tenants that feminist leadership is advocating, as I've analyzed in part elsewhere (see also: Who Stole Feminism? by Christina Hoff Sommers), but feminism does not require their active support in order to secure its agenda. So long as feminists are able to effectively use shaming tactics and logical fallacies to quell dissent before it begins (and, more importantly, inflict causalities by forcing reasonable men and women to retire from public posts and other jobs like professorships through unfair accusations of bigotry, rape, misogyny, etc), feminists will be able to maintain and enjoy the employment of this political power.

There have been many strategies and alternatives offered to men from the various MRAs I've read about. Not very many seem keenly interested in salvaging America, which I view as an entirely possible and extremely beneficial enterprise. Will it be difficult? Certainly. Is it guaranteed to succeed? No more than it is guaranteed to fail.

For those of us men who are interested in salvaging America, then, I would suggest we view the situation like a counterinsurgency. We must change the landscape so that feminism cannot benefit from the passive support of that uncommitted majority. Our best bet, as has been advocated elsewhere, is to target primarily males, as males are the enforcers of society anyway. Women dominate men only because men allow them to. As others have argued, if men voted en masse against feminist policies, or otherwise refused to enforce them, the movement would die overnight.

Counterinsurgency is something that America as a whole is not very adept at, yet. The military only just recently decided to learn from the mistakes made in the Vietnam war, for instance, so I do not expect a non-military community to be familiar with all of its concepts and applications. The point is, however, insurgencies can be beaten and there is a method to beating them. If this resonates with anyone, I'd love to hear about it.
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Re: The Plan

fschmidt
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We could argue at length about whether or not mainstream society could be saved.  This question is not provable one way or the other.  From my study of history, I have concluded that mainstream society cannot be saved and that the best bet is to start an alternative subculture.  I gave as an analogy the efforts of Roman emperors to reform Rome versus the Christians who simply went their own way.  I also discussed the idea of feminism as insurgency.  If you believe that mainstream society can be saved, then I suggest starting here.  But the CoAlpha Brotherhood is not about reforming society.  It is about creating an alternative subculture.  You are welcome to try both approaches, joining CoAlpha to see what we can do, and joining other organizations to reform mainstream society.

You will get access to the private forum in a week, but there isn't much there.  There are just a few of us and basically I am trying to figure out how to make this work.  By work, I mean that we have something concrete to offer so that we aren't just an intellectual concept.  My idea is to offer a free matchmaking service to help guys find decent wives, and then we would work on ways to keep our families free from feminism.  I recently moved to El Paso to be on the border to do this.  Juarez is a mess right now but I assume things will calm down there.  My wife is Mexican and I speak Spanish, so I think we can do this.
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Re: The Plan

J. Donner
Fair enough. I do not wish to argue back and forth over something we both acknowledge is impossible to prove, either. If the idea of the CoAlpha Brotherhood is incompatible with attempting to salvage America, then I will say no more of it here.

The matchmaking service is interesting and at least more tangible (and meaningful) than what a lot of MRAs offer. As discussed elsewhere, PUAs seem only to assuage immediate desires but offer nothing lasting as far as society building goes (it's all about getting that "next high," if you will, the high being sexual pleasure). Who knows what alternatives will work? And so long as alternatives are not mutually exclusive, it seems to make sense to pursue all that have some chance of success.

Unfortunately, I don't know what I can offer to a matchmaking service, seeing as I have very little contact with women and am not skilled in (nor care to learn) the art of seduction. I stand to gain from such a service, naturally, but I've always preferred to be of service rather than be served.
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What has this group accomplished so far?

Exorcist
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I was just wondering what this brotherhood has accomplished in the real world, thus far.  From what I read, this is a place for men to come together to make social change.  What has been accomplished thus far?
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Re: What has this group accomplished so far?

fschmidt
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The purpose of this group isn't to make social change in mainstream society.  The purpose is only for our members to commit to helping each other resist feminism.  Examples would include helping single guys find women abroad and helping married guys keep their family together and free of feminism.  Co-alpha men succeed through cooperation and this group's purpose is to provide a place for co-alpha men to cooperate.

What have we accomplished so far?  Nothing.  We are still too small and I haven't invested enough time in this yet.  I hope this will change.
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Put No-Girlfriend Site Under CoAlpha?

fschmidt
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I am thinking of putting this no-girlfriend forum under CoAlpha.  I am doubtful about this forum as a standalone website.  Most of the posters here are already in CoAlpha anyway.  It doesn't make sense to me to fragment the posting effort of CoAlpha members between 2 sites.  It seems that love-shy.com satisfies the needs of this niche.  Only those few guys who want to investigate our point of view will come here to post.  And in that case, we might as well let them see the whole picture including all of CoAlpha.  So my thinking is to make this forum a subforum of CoAlpha and change links to link there.

I am open on this, I am just giving my opinion.  If someone else really believes in no-girlfriend.com as a separate site and wants to take it over from me and try to make it work, I am fine with that.  But my personal focus will be on CoAlpha.  So please let me know.  If I don't hear any other opinions, I will go ahead and put this under CoAlpha.
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Re: Put Under CoAlpha?

Drealm
I concur, I think no-girlfriend should be placed under coalpha as a sub forum. The name may not be the best for a sub forum though. Instead of "no-girlfriend" maybe it should adopt the description at the top of the page "A forum for dating-challenged men, whether you are incel (involuntary celibate) or love-shy.". This could be abbreviated to "Dating challenged men, involuntary celibacy and love-shyness discussion".
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Re: Put Under CoAlpha?

fschmidt
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This forum name is too long.  The name could just be "Dating" and our footer link on other forums could be "CoAlpha Dating Forum".
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Re: Put Under CoAlpha?

Ardia
Well,
I like it slightly more as a separate forum, but I don't like the idea of women and manginas finally posting here.

Also, I am unwilling to take it over.

So I guess a move is OK.
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Re: Put Under CoAlpha?

fschmidt
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Ardia wrote
I like it slightly more as a separate forum
Why?
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