"The Code" thread

There is a good discussion going on another forum that relates to the CoAlpha idea.  It's here:

http://www.mens-rights.net/forum/index.php?topic=7438.60

This thread led to a real project which can be found here:

http://the-code.wikispaces.com/

Very interesting Code!

 i used to have my doubts of the "code"-i don't have any now

 after being disgusted at the lack of co-operation or backing on a certain mra site and watching everyone chirp at each other as that seemed more important than using an open opportunity for activism.

 i can see no other way except to find if only a few honourable guys to co-operate and do something together than everyone out for themselves.

 Like Duke said-"we will be in exactly the same place in ten years-no where"- before he got disgusted and needed a break- for the same reasons i am now

anyways...i have made a lot of mistakes in regards to my attitude towards the ,"code"

but now i realize that it is the only way to get things done with any effectiveness.

Great to have you aboard!

Good man outdoors..

The forums are a major source of frustration. I am staying off them for a few weeks to recharge the old batteries as it were..

Life in the MRM is a learning experience for us all, but sadly it seems most folk learn how to jabber, bicker and do nothing else..

The first stages of the code are geared towards communications as this is what I identify as the biggest weakness in getting the sort of unified approach we need..

Simple stuff really, but in the main, neglected so much that 99% of communications in the movement is almost completely ineffective..

What is the standard fare in most MRM forums?

Swapping news items, making the predictable comments, and then saying "someone should..." Blah blah..

Well, that "someone" is you, me, and everyone else!!

If folk have time to piss around on forums swapping loser stories and bickering with irrelevant feminists and mangina's, then they can save themselves a lot of energy and anger and focus with folk who have a serious intent to actually do stuff and talk business-like..

 apparently my previous attitude towards the"code" has got me banned--oh well- live 'n' learn

If you are talking about MRAF forum you haven't been banned there ever, and your account is there unchanged. If you have forgotten you password I can email you a new one, as I can't access the old one as that is yours only to know.

Your news item is still there too. As I said to you when you signed up, when in doubt PM me and find out the situation and try not to guess at what is going on.

Your news items took so long to get available to the public because you didn't follow my communication. You assumed I was not putting it up, when it had been sent to the moderators section as you were new at the time, but was available to those with access to the forum. I for my part was unaware of the forum system as I was learning it myself.

I was unaware of your one effort, until I read your unhappiness with MRAF on the MRO forum. By that time it was too late as you seem to be insulted.

This is why communication is so important, and why the code helps. You will always get a direct answer from me, and it will always be much more constructive on the inside of groups. On the outside dealing with attacks from many quarters there are roles I must take that are much less friendly but better for the cause.

I have continued to send news items to your Canadian forum coming on a year soon, so why would I ban you and not put your news items up?

There are many men in this world that are untrustworthy, and we must fight the urge to assume others are like these men. We must take each man as he comes to us, but need to communicate directly and honestly.

outdoors wrote

 i can see no other way except to find if only a few honourable guys to co-operate and do something together than everyone out for themselves.

Exactly right.  Here is the link to The Code for anyone else who is interested:

http://the-code.wikispaces.com/

Solid men in the movement are worth 100 casuals when it comes to effectiveness. That is the key to success, or hopes towards future success.

The fellowship of the code allows us to determine who these solid men are.

I am talking about my/our personal preferrence to deal with men we know can take the many knocks we encounter, and come back round the table ready to discuss what needs to be done again..

The greatest battles that many MRA's have to fight are with their own weaknesses, not those of their brethren.. Nor, anything related to the irrelevant bubbling bucket of wind and piss that is "feminism".. We dont have to drink from that bucket, so why even look in it? Many so called "masculists" spend most of their time surfing feminist sites looking for multitudinous examples of what we already know.. "Look, I have found a feminist who doesn't like men.."

Right, super, so what? Keep looking and gazing up at the dilated anus as it dumps on your face?.

If a MRA gets a bollocking from another MRA, does he run off and hide under his blanket with some other oppressed fathers' ex, sucking his thumb or does he take the time to consider what HE may have done, or what HE can do to rectify matters?

The open forums of the movement are full of destractors and troublemakers, many of whom call themselves MRA's but what do they actually DO to progress the cause? They effectively divide the movement more than they progress it by bickering and posting irrelevant destractive annoying shite on forums repeatedly..

And there are also many "feminised" MRA's, who see 1 lukewarm divorced woman with a highly suspect background as being worth 10 solid men it seems.. "We dont want to put women off by allowing men to say negative things about them.." (While they then go off and create blatantly misogynistic  hypocritical rants against women who they demand must miraculously suddenly give up their privelidges and embrace unrealistic hermophradite "equality" doctrines..)

The fellows of the code are highly committed solid men who can take harsh criticism, even from other fellows, and adapt for the good of the group, because it is recognised that none of us is perfect, we have all been raised in a world that actively encourages divisiveness amongst men and preferrencial status to women regardless..

We face the world united in a common belief that things have to change for the good of men, families and, yes, women and children too..

We intend to grow "bottom up", and all fellows will be able to decide the route we take, but all fellows must be compliant with the requirements of the code, must be "hard" and must show by their actions that they have a true commitment..

It seems to be too tall an order for most MRA's, who are very casual and "chatty", (for want of effective leadership I would say)..

And yet, the current requirements of the code are very easy to meet..

Folk wishing to be part of the fellowship don't get an instant membership, they first have to show that they are able to comply with the requirements, "I agree to comply" is not enough, that is the starting point..

What can the fellowship of the code do to help you as an individual progress your own MRA related cause?

A lot...

But that is highly dependant on what YOU can do to enable the code to develop in a way that will assist the fellows in creating a working organisational structure for the code that is strong and solid against the many attacks it is CERTAIN to attract from the wider world, both within and outside the established (highly ineffective) Male Rights Movement..

i posted this today on my little yahoo thingy

"if anyone would like to join a group who have and are willing to work as a team
with a fairly strict "code" for everyone to follow as activists.
These people think(which i agree) that by sticking together and by acting in
unison,it can and will do more damage and make a much bigger impact to our
concerns.
i believe one or two of u know what i am talking about.

but u must be dedicated to the cause.

e-mail me and i will send u a link"






 i got this reply,of course from someone i knew i could count on--he gets a positive refferal from me-if that counts for anything?


"sign me up"

You are making a good start outdoors. You are making work for me, which means I must focus on what must be done to create the environment where men can feel able to work together in the way we know we need to if we are to at some future date become more effective in creating the leaders needed for men and families in our cause.

Owing to pressing personal issues in the next few weeks related to direct attacks upon my family from the great evil that is the wicked state stepmother and her ugly sisters in law, I cannot focus fully, but I will put before you now, a place were you can come together with those good men you find who wish to try and work together in this project to meet and discuss.

The important document of referrence is of course the code as it stands now, feel free to discuss it in the area provided.

http://n2.nabble.com/The-code-Public-Discussion-thread-Please-contribute-your-thoughts-freely-td3513942.html#a3513942

This Code business sounds like precisely the sort of thing I've been yearning for and would love to see advocated. It sounds exactly like what I see as being necessary to actually DO something about the problem rather than COMPLAIN about the problem.

I will have to investigate further.

JDApostasy

Been reading some of your posts and you seem like a good man to me.
You got determination and honor, it will be nice to have you among the Co-Alpha brothers.

You may want to take the vow here; http://n2.nabble.com/Vows-td3087692.html#a3087692

Haven't been posting much myself for a long time, seems to have exhausted all i want to say. LOL!

Unfortunately, there was insufficient genuine interest in the code. Years of experience have taught me that this is to be expected of anything that is rooted in the online whinefest of the mens movement..

You are probably right, but the Co-Alpha Brotherhood and the Code is one of the best accomplishments till day.

Let's keep our heads up and move on. :)